The Devil Was Never an Angel

So I’ve written on this topic before on here, but I thought it would be helpful to review this again for a greater purpose beyond the actual teaching. As you’ve seen in my previous posts such as “Christians Don’t Go to Heaven When They Die”, “Why Do We Celebrate Easter?” and many others, I’m not shy about challenging traditional beliefs if they seem inconsistent to what Scripture specifically states or doesn’t state. I only care about believing what God wants me to believe according to His Word, and connecting with Him deeper through continually embodying the Word in my thoughts and actions. With that said, let’s see through scripture why the devil was never an angel.

Isaiah 14

The common story that has been taught is that the devil was once an angel who got too prideful and was eventually banished from heaven by God. Most people will point you to Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 as proof of this teaching, but it’s very important to observe whose being spoken to in these verses. This is going to be a great lesson on reading scripture carefully. In Isaiah 14:4 it states, “that you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon, and say, “How the oppressor has ceased, And how fury has ceased!” So the verse indicates that the following words between verse 4 through 21 will be a taunt to the king of Babylon. So then it follows that the verse that people point to in verse 12 about the fallen star is not a reference to the devil, but a statement directed to the King of Babylon. To my humble knowledge of scripture, I know of no verse that the devil was ever referred to as the King of Babylon.

Ezekiel 28

In Ezekiel 28:2, it similarly expresses that the following words in the chapter are being directed to the leader of Tyre. Ezekiel 28:2 states, “Son of man, say to the leader of Tyre, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “Because your heart is lifted up And you have said, ‘I am a god, I sit in the seat of gods In the heart of the seas’; Yet you are a man and not God, Although you make your heart like the heart of God—“. The statements continue on all the way through verses 11-18, which are not describing the devil as some make the conclusion, but are words being directed to the leader of Tyre. Verse 11 and 12 states, “Again the word of the Lord came to me saying, 12 “Son of man, take up a lamentation over the king of Tyre and say to him, ‘Thus says the Lord God,“. The devil is never directly mentioned in these verses people reference, and to my humble knowledge of scripture, I know of no verse that ever referenced him as the King of Tyre.

Lucifer

If we go back to Isaiah 14:12 for a moment, in the KJV translation, some have attached the word Lucifer to be referencing the devil. Looking at the Hebrew translation of the word Lucifer, it actually means morning star. Newer translations translate it as such, which was why I stated fallen star when we were discussing Isaiah 14 earlier. There’s no verse I’m aware of that references the devil as a morning star.

From the beginning

To further bring thought on this traditional concept that the devil was once a good angel, let’s consider these following verses. 1 John 3:8 states “the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil” John 8:44 states, “You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.” Now the first verse we looked at stated the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The second verse stated that he was a murderer from the beginning. Now if he was both a sinner and a murderer from the beginning, it seems to leave no room for this evil being to have ever been good. Based on these verses, it seems difficult not to conclude the devil was always evil.

Assuming the devil was an angel

I have one last scriptural analysis for consideration. What if one were to presume for the sake of argument that it’s true that the devil was in fact once an angel? Let’s consider this verse. 2 Peter 2:4 states, “For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment;” Theoretically, based on this verse, if the devil was ever once an angel who sinned against God, he would be in a pit of darkness eternally bound until the day of judgment. But numerous verses seem to show that the devil is an active force in this world throughout Scripture in times past (Job) and times present (1 Peter 5:8). So it would be difficult to conclude that the devil was ever an angel, because if he was, then he wouldn’t be an active evil force in the world right now. It seems doubtful an angel could do much evil if they were committed to a pit of darkness reserved for Judgment by the all-powerful God we serve.

Conclusion

I hope this helps you to think more about how you read Scripture. I encourage us all to continually make sure we’re understanding scripture the way it’s specifically stated, and not by the lens of whatever tradition we were raised in, or teachings we were previously told. I challenge you to think about everything you’ve ever been taught to believe or practice as a part of your faith, and always put it to the test of Scripture. As long as we’re following His Word, God will be pleased with us.

Peace to all those who are in Christ.

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47 thoughts on “The Devil Was Never an Angel

  1. Revelation 12:7-9
    And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
    And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceives the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

    • Hi Patricia. Thank you for your comment. This is a great verse. We see the Devil (who is also called Satan as this verse states) being specifically referred to as ” the great dragon” and “old serpent”. But also, we don’t see the devil directly referred to as an angel, but simply a statement of him having his own angels. It’s great to have verses like this help us understand who the devil is more.

      Peace to you in Christ. 🙂

      • I liked your post. I like the fact that you used Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 in its proper context. Contrary to popular belief, Lucifer is not the Devil. I liked Patricia use of Revelation 12:7-9, especially verse 7. In verse 7 we find two contrasting forces, yet we find similarities between the two: The Devil and his angels vs Michael and his angels. Michael is known as “one of the chief princes” in Daniel 10:13, and as “the archangel” in Jude 1:9. In 2 Corinthians 11:14, Paul said that “Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.” The word ‘transform’ is to transfigure (Matthew 17:2), or to alter one’s appearance or character. Peter and the boys saw Christ in his glory when he was transfigured. Matthew wrote “His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light’ (Mat. 17:2, KJV). Christ’s physical appearance as a man never changed during his transfiguration. Likewise, the Devil is an angel of darkness or rather chained in darkness (Jude 1:6).

        I encourage you to continue with good work.

        God bless.

        Don’t forget to check out my other posts at: https://emstudies.wordpress.com/

      • It would not let me reply to your question under my answer so I have responded here.

        Yes. The devil is an angel and an active force in the world because the pit of darkness is not a static ‘place’ but it is a ‘place’ of unrest (Luke 16:25-26; Matt. 12:43-25, 22:13; Mark 5:7-13 or Luke 8:28-31).

      • factbasedtruth,

        By Wisdom of the Scripture
        • You and I both agreed that the devil is an active force in the world, yet there are no specific verse or verses that precisely state these words. Yet, both you and I have come to this conclusion through the understanding of the scriptures. Certainly, Job 1:6-22 and Ephesians 2:2 have painted such a picture well for us, and there are countless other scriptures throughout the Bible.

        By an Indirect Statement
        • When Christ cast out a demon/devil out of the blind and dumb man the Pharisees spoke and said that He cast out devils by Beelzebub the prince of devils. Christ then said, “If Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?” (Matthew 12:22-26, KJV).

        Though the Lord Jesus does not directly say that Satan is an angel in his statement, He solidifies the nature of both the demons/devils and Satan, that they are the same.

        By Way of Elimination
        1. God the Father
        2. Jesus Christ the Son of God
        3. Angels
        4. Mankind
        5. Animals, birds, fishes, creeping and crawling things

        My questions to you:
        1. Looking at the ‘By Way of Elimination’ list, did the Father through Jesus Christ create another being or creature that the Scripture does not speak of?
        2. What do demons, devils, and unclean spirits have in common? And, who is commanding or leading them? (see Revelation 12:7-8; Matthew 12:22-26).
        3. Where does their kingdom reside? (see Ephesians 2:2).

      • Hi estudies. Thanks for your response. Yes, you’re correct in noting there is no verse that directly states the devil is an active force. I consider my conclusion to be moreso a cautiously logical inference. 1 Peter 5:8 states, “Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.” Note the verbs “prowls” and “seeking” are present tense. It’s for this reason, I cautiously infer that the devil is an active force in the world. And I say cautiously because I think one should be very careful proclaiming a belief to be accurate to scripture based on an inference rather than a direct statement. I would agree Matthew 12:22-26 could also possibly be inferred to be communicating the same thing as well.

        Now as far as the one in the same thing, I did something I don’t recall doing before, which is I looked at the Greek meaning of the word angel and demon. I think this may provide clarity in conjunction with all three of your questions, which I can see what you’re suggesting with those questions.

        The Greek word for angel is aggelos which means messenger from God according to Strong’s. In an expanded definition Thayer’s Greek Lexicon says this of its meaning in the verse in Revelation 12 you referenced, “Certain of the angels have proved faithless to the trust committed to them by God, and have given themselves up to sin, Jude 1:6; 2 Peter 2:4 (Enoch c. vi. etc., cf. Genesis 6:2), and now obey the devil, Matthew 25:41; Revelation 12:7, cf. 1 Corinthians 6:3” We have a distinction here between angels given themselves up to sin and the devil, but no reference of the devil as such in the meaning of the word for angel. And just looking at the verse itself, there’s a label given to him there already which is dragon.

        The Greek word for demon is daimonion. It means evil spirits or the messengers and ministers of the devil. Thayer’s Greek Lexicon has an interesting expanded meaning for the word “Satan” in that verse in Matthew 12. The Greek word for Satan is Satanas. Of it’s meaning in Matthew 12:26, “and by his demons to take possession of the bodies of men and to afflict them with diseases, Luke 13:16, cf. Matthew 12:26;” So it seems from this meaning the verse is just expressing that a representative (messenger) of Satan, that being a demon, and not Satan himself, was taking captive of the man. Another distinction seeming to be conveyed here.

        Now suppose we were to apply your logic to messengers of God, angels. By your logic, angels are God, and God is an angel. But they’re not and He’s not, just as demons (messengers of the devil/satan), are not the devil/satan, and the devil/satan is not a demon, and thus not an angel, since the term demon is just an interchangeable way of saying the devil’s messengers (angels). Both are merely representatives of them. And thus it would seem the devil/satan is something entirely different that an answer for which just may not be fully conveyed to us in scripture.

      • factbasedtruth,
        By your theological finding of the definition of an angel and demons you have rendered a logic for me when you said that my logic would see “angels are God, and God is an angel”.

        I believe I have clearly conveyed in ‘By Way of Elimination” and question one, that God created all things through Jesus Christ. God is the Creator and angels (including the devil who is an angel) are part of the list of created things. God and His Son are above all things as Creator and are not the created things. In the created process we have been given a clear picture, via the scriptures, what God has created. The list shown in “By Way of Elimination” reflect what Scripture has already made known. I believe there is no room for injection of another being. The Scripture is infallible and cannot be broken (John 10:35). Without a doubt Satan falls under the created things, not as a human, nor as a lower creature such as an animal or a bird, but as a powerful creature, an angel that sinned (Jude 1:9) and was cast down together with the other angels. Sin entering this world would not make any sense unless it finds its origin from a more powerful source, the angels that sinned.

        Now, if we look at the true definition of an angel, by way of the Scripture, we find that angels are “ministering spirits sent forth to minister for them who are heirs of salvation” (Hebrew 1:14). Now God is Light (1 John 1:5), therefore His angels are known as angels of light. We know from Scripture that the angels that deserted their posts were cast down to hell and delivered into chains of darkness (Jude 1:6). Scripture speaks of them as demons, unclean spirits, and devils, whose authority or kingdom is in the air (see Ephesians 1:2 and 6:7). Being chained in darkness they are ministers of their environment. Paul alluded to this clearly in 2 Corinthians 11:14 when he said that “even Satan masquerades as an angel of light. Now if Satan masquerades as an angel of light, then without the masquerade he would be considered an angel of darkness. Therefore “By Way of Elimination”. Satan can only be an angel that is head of the angels that sinned.

        The names dragon, serpent, devil are symbolic descriptions of his nature and character. Even the name Satan falls in suit with his character and nature. It is obvious that Revelation 12:9 gives us the symbolic names of him while keeping the origin of his being by those that followed him, that being angels or rather angels that sinned. And this falls well in line with Scripture and its declaration of a leader and his kingdom. The king of Tyre (Ezekiel 28) and the king of Babylon (Isaiah 14) were all standing members of their kingdoms. They were not a different created being, isolated from their brethren. Likewise, Matthew 12:24 reaffirms this same thought. The Pharisees declared Satan as the “prince of demons.” The preposition “of” solidifies Satan as being a part of or belonging to that family of demons. Now with this in mind, the Scripture asks for two or three testimonies to affirm any matter. For it is written, “A matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses” (Deut. 19:15). I have given you three testimonies to affirm this matter.

        Blessings

      • Thanks for the response estudies, I admire the challenge you’re giving me with your position. You make some interesting points and I grant you that some of them seem plausible I think with me granting that to you, you can also concede that all of your points while potentially plausible, are still all inferences placed upon the text. I think it’s important to always be cautious with our inferences, because an inference is still not a direct statement, not a direct command, nor a direct instruction from God. With nothing definitive, all we are left with is theories that each must conclude on their own what seems more plausible.

        To address some of your verses, I question whether your citation of Jude is being understood in proper context. The prior verse before Jude 1:6 speaks of men who came out of Egypt that did not believe and were destroyed. The very next verse mentions angels. It would seem this particular verse is referencing angels of that time period (after the men came out of Egypt). There is another verse in 2 Peter 2 that seems to speak the same thing of angels in a more general sense. However I would pose this question to the audience of readers. Is it plausible that the devil could be an active force in the world if he is presently an angel in chains of darkness until judgment day like the rest of the angels that sinned? My thinking would be no.

        With regards to 2 Corinthians 11, I would pose the question to the audience readers, does it necessarily follow that posing as an angel of light means when the masquerade is removed the devil is revealed as an angel of darkness? My thinking would be that’s not necessarily the case. He masqueraded as a serpent as well, which has nothing to do with angels. So in masquerading in many different forms, one can seem to only conclude he just presents himself in different forms, but to conclude beyond that would seem to be a step beyond the text. You say serpent is symbolic, but I don’t see anything in the text of Genesis that communicates when the devil spoke to Eve as a serpent, that he was just speaking as his symbolic nature, rather than just literally speaking as a serpent. But say we were to conclude that was symbolic, what’s to say one can’t conclude the masquerading as an angel of light was symbolic and had nothing literally to do with ever being an angel? I suppose we have to be very careful what we deem as symbolic and what we deem as literal.

        I would say your point about “of” is something I hadn’t thought about and interesting to ponder. I think ultimately we’re left with just speculation on this topic as a whole, and whether the devil was or wasn’t an angel, he’s still a force of evil that humans must be weary of, which perhaps in the end is the important thing.

        Peace in Christ.

  2. Might I suggest that “from the beginning” is not the same as “in the beginning”. Our Lord Jesus, the eternal Word, was “in the beginning”. The devil was only evil from the beginning. It is fair to assume that the devil is not eternal, but a creature like humans and angels. Do you agree that the devil is a spirit (as are the angels) and has power, but not all power? Do you think our good God created the devil evil? I Timothy 3:7 warns against falling by pride into the same condemnation as the Devil. This might be a reference to the Devi’s own “fall” by pride. Just a few thoughts. Kind regards, Michael.

    • Hi Michael. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and questions. What you note about “from the beginning” vs “in the beginning” is certainly an important distinction. In my thinking with what I wrote, I was understanding “from the beginning” in the sense of from the beginning of the devil’s existence. As John 1 expresses in the beginning was the Word and God with no mentioning of the devil in those verses, thus seeming to indicate he was created at some point.

      The devil exhibits supernatural power in Job 2:7 when he smote Job with sore boils, so based off of that, one could presume he’s a spiritual being. To your next question, I wouldn’t see it as unusual of our good God creating the devil evil, because God created the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. So I would conclude with this example of God creating something with some evil in it before, God could choose to do the same of the devil as a part of His plan.

      With regards to 1 Timothy 3:6, which I think was the verse you were intending to cite, I can concede that’s a bit intriguing. Interestingly the verse connects being a new convert with potential conceitedness, and then conceitedness is connected with falling into the condemnation of the devil. So how those words new convert and conceitedness, in addition to this being instructions of who should be an overseer, connects to this phrase “condemnation of the devil”, I’m humble enough to admit I don’t know. But in spite of that lack of specific explanation, I would say the verse itself doesn’t conflict with the evidence I’ve presented in this post which still makes me confident in my current conclusion. I would say I don’t think that verse alone is enough to take the extra step of belief in a complete story of the devil once being an angel that got too prideful and was banished from heaven. In my estimation at least, particularly with the verse not going in more explicit detail of that story being the specific reference. Feel free to share more thoughts or questions if you have them. Great comment.

      Peace to you in Christ. 🙂

  3. I really enjoyed reading this post. You have given us a great deal to think about! I was particularly struck by this part…”Now the first verse we looked at stated the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The second verse stated that he was a murderer from the beginning. Now if he was both a sinner and a murderer from the beginning, it seems to leave no room for this evil being to have ever been good. Based on these verses, it seems difficult not to conclude the devil was always evil.” I know that I’ve read this passage many times before but did not see the discrepancy between what Jesus said here and what we have been told about the devil being a fallen angel.

    I do have to say that this does open more questions for me! And that’s a good thing! I’m hopeful that you will have an additional post concerning the origin of the devil, etc.

    • Hi Nickel Boy Graphics. Glad you enjoyed reading the post, and great to know this has helped you to think a little deeper about these things. And there’s certainly room for even broader discussion of who the devil is through many other verses that weren’t discussed in this post. Perhaps I’ll do so in the future.

      Peace to you in Christ. 🙂

  4. Why is the truth hidden? One main reason is so that satan doesn’t know who he is. Satan is a power (Eph 6:12 (KJV)) not a self-aware being. If he were then this question could not be answered:
    “Why didn’t/doesn’t/wouldn’t Satan read the bible the way that the world does and just NOT do what is predicted of him and make God and the bible a liar?”

    Satan was loosed (Rev 20:7 (KJV)) when he became more powerful than the dragon, represented by communist China, a people that believe that man has control of his own destiny and no need of God. Satan was loosed when he became more powerful than the beast, represented by Russia, the nation that sold its birthright (like Esau) to lead the world to God and salvation. Satan was loosed when he became more evil than the false prophet, represented by the Roman Catholic church that does more evil in the name of God than ever before. Satan was loosed in August of 1945 (Rev 13:13 (KJV)).
    Yes satan does NOT know who he is:
    A demon is an evil thought i.e. a lie.
    A devil is a person that carries out that evil i.e. a liar.
    Satan is the POWER that these devils have i.e. the father of lies (John 8:44 (KJV) U.S.A. “in God we trust” and “one nation under God”.
    To believe that this nation (the most powerful nation that has ever been U.S.A.) is not prophesied in the bible, or is just a footnote, is to be naïve or blind.
    Seven times civilization has risen to a major power. Seven times it has been destroyed by God (Rev 20:2-3 (KJV)) and today being the eighth (Rev 17:11 (KJV)).
    Some men would count the users of this phrase, “when I get around to it” as slackers, and so would God. Most teach that these verses mean that God has no concept of time, 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
    9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness…2 Peter 3:8-9 (KJV).
    They couldn’t be farther from the truth. God did not say “when I get around to it” no, he has a timetable and his elect know this.
    The world needs to quit reading the bible like a novel and seek the truth that is hidden in the stories, fables, and symbolism.
    You can find more of my blogs, comments, and web site on google+.
    My youtube video is a little dry. I am not a movie maker but the video is not for entertainment it is for those that truly seek and want the truth. So please watch it all the way through and read all cited scripture.
    May God have mercy on his children. Amen.

    lonecar144.blogspot.com
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    • Hi lonecar144. You’ve presented a lot of interesting thought here. It’s always good to have vast perspectives added to the discussion. I appreciate you sharing the video and the blog as well. I hope we can all understand and be aware of the devil the way God wants us to for our protection according to what His Word states.

      Peace to you in Christ. 🙂

      • I commented on your post because you gave the impression that you were not one to be intimidated by the status-quo but yet you gave my comment a status-quo reply.

        In order to learn the facts you must ask questions and then use your God given gift of being created in his image (the ability to use reason and logic) to discover the true answers to the questions with the help of the Holy Spirit.

        Questions like;
        “Why didn’t/doesn’t/wouldn’t Satan read the bible the way that the world does and just NOT do what is predicted of him and make God and the bible a liar?”.

        Ten million years from now, after God and his chosen few are living in the lap of luxury, to what purpose are their still souls still burning in the lake of fire?

        What happened to the waters above the firmament?

        Why did the widow blame Elijah for the death of her son after he gave her the miracle of the barrel of meal and cruse of oil?

        Why did the disciples not know that Jesus could feed the 4,000 after he had fed the 5,000 in the previous chapter?

        Why are the colors (without the blue) of the whore that sits on many waters the same as the colors of a nation starting out under God in the book of Exodus.
        38 Speak unto the children of Israel, and bid them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a ribband of blue:
        39 And it shall be unto you for a fringe, that ye may look upon it, and remember all the commandments of the Lord, and do them; and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring:
        Num 15:38-39 (KJV)

        In Paul’s letter to Timothy why did he suddenly give a stomach remedy in the middle of writing about the sins of man?

        And there are countless other questions that need to be answered.
        These questions in no way disprove the bible. On the contrary the answers bring the bible(KJV) to the very cusp of “beyond a shadow of a doubt”.

        May God have mercy on his children.

      • My response was generic because I was a bit thrown off by the connections of the US, China, and Roman Catholicism to scripture. I do not mind challenging status quo teaching with bold uncommon ideas as long as there’s explicit statements in scripture to back things up. I’m also skeptical of modern day prophesy, but of course always open minded to how God chooses to operate. And indeed, it’s important to ask questions of things, even we can’t always figure out the answers to these things.

        Peace in Christ. 🙂

  5. What you are doing is correct. There is a lot about religion that takes scriptures and adds myth that is not what is really being said in the text. Adam and Eve never ate an “Apple”, Mary never rode a donkey, Noah’s neighbors never laughed at him and there was no “3 wise men” but only 3 gifts. There is much and more that is taken to mean other things to fill in blanks in understanding and to promote an agenda. It’s like the game of telephone where people share whispers down the line and are embellished by the one who shares the story to push their own understanding and as a result the end result only vaguely resembles the original.

    So perhaps maybe another ideal is at play behind the scenes in scriptures that is left unnoticed because religion teaches not to see it in this way, but consider with a new perspective that the entire book is really about you. You are the world of Creation that was once “Darkness” (Ignorant) seeking enlightenment and that your higher understanding is the god or master of the inner world. Consider the word “WORLD” in the new testament. It is Cosmos (Kosmos) which means the divine order in everything (this is why it is used to mean the Universe in our modern age. It is order out of chaos that is taking the old world (Order) and creating a new world (Order) where Heaven (Ideal “New” self) and Earth (Primitive “Old” self) unite into a “NEW JERUSALEM” which means by translation to mean a “NEW PEACE” or “NEW UNDERSTANDING”.

    7 days are 7 steps of enlightenment in the beginning that are complete in Revelation (Divine Enlightenment) where the WORLD (Order) has eschewed the old WORLD (Order) to create a NEW PEACE. IE order from chaos.

    The entire Bible is being read wrong and as a result religion has blinded us all from the ETERNALTRUTH (LIVING WORD “CHRIST” Ultimate understanding).

    • Hi soulblindminstry. Thank you for your comment. Yes, things like the apple are more good examples of other things that we’ve adapted ideas to the text over time. Seeing these things really stresses the importance of us primarily believing what the text actually states. As far as the other things, you said I’d have to think about that. But that’s an interesting perspective you present that I’ve not heard before. Always a joy see new ideas from new people. I hope you’ll continue to contribute your thoughtfulness to these discussions here.

      Peace to you in Christ. 🙂

  6. Thought provoking post, nice work! I am inclined to still hold that Ezekiel 28 refers to Satan but I’m not so sure about Isaiah 14. You are absolute right that Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 don’t mention Satan specifically. From my understanding, those who think these passages refer to Satan like myself believe that they are referencing the human rulers but are also referencing the one behind their rule and the one influencing their rule, Satan. The primary reason is because the phrases used to describe these rulers seem to speak of someone who is non-human. I admit that Isaiah 14 is not very strong as a reference to Satan but Ezekiel 28 is in my opinion because of the following phrases:
    “You were the signet of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God…You were an anointed guardian cherub. I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God..You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created, till unrighteousness was found in you.”
    To me that seems to speak of an angelic being who was created perfect at first. I don’t think that would apply to a human. But I guess the language could be hyperbolic as well. Either way, I like the point of your post in that we should truly go to Scripture alone to form our opinions instead of allowing other preconceived notions affect our reading of Scripture!

    • Hi Carey. Thank you for the compliment. First time hearing of “the one influencing their rule” perspective before. Interesting. I could understand how one could perceive of those verses in Ezekiel referencing something non-human, and then seem to believe it’s portraying the story that’s been taught of the devil. I think where we differ is that where you take the extra step (which you might respectfully not view as an extra step) of saying that’s talking about the devil, I opt in not taking what I respectfully perceive as an extra step just because I don’t see the devil referenced here. Putting it another way, if one were learning about the devil simply through their first time reading through all of scripture, I wonder if one would reach the same conclusion without the prior background teaching? It’s an interesting subject to think about though, and I’m glad we agree on the larger point of this post about sticking to what scripture states with regards to beliefs.

      Peace to you in Christ. 🙂

  7. Thanks for your careful consideration of this topic. I feel ‘the devil’ has become so mythologized that we start thinking that everything originated in the Bible. Its a good reminder to actually read the words and not reply on a cultural idea.

  8. If the truth in the bible (KJV) were explicit it wouldn’t be a mystery.
    If the truth were explicit you wouldn’t have the blind leading the blind.
    If the truth were explicit Jesus would not have been crucified.

    Where does it explicitly say that God has no sense of time and/or is a time traveler?
    Where does it explicitly say that this verse isn’t literal?
    8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
    2 Peter 3:8 (KJV)

    Here are some explicates;
    If the truth were being told this prophecy would have occurred already.
    14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
    Matt 24:14 (KJV)

    4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies,…
    1 Tim 1:4 (KJV)
    3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
    4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
    2 Tim 4:3-4 (KJV)

    Here’s a little lesson on deciphering the bible;
    In Paul’s letter to Timothy why did he suddenly give a stomach remedy in the middle of writing about the sin of man?
    23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach’s sake and thine often infirmities.
    1 Tim 5:23 (KJV)
    20 … This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
    Luke 22:20 (KJV)
    16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
    Heb 9:16 (KJV)
    Wine represents the blood of Jesus which was shed to give us the New Testament.
    The stomach is part of the bowels. Bowels is used to represent emotions in various places in the bible.
    Infirmities are weaknesses.
    So to paraphrase 1 Tim. 5:23 (KJV)
    “study the New Testament for a sound mind and your often temptations to sin.”

    And you must realize that the bible was written for admonition. And that there are many scriptures that were not included in the bible so the ones in the bible are there by Gods direction. When you have discrepancies like the one just discussed it is put there to prod those with eyes to see and ears to hear to investigate. And to look for the underlying truth within.

    May God have mercy on his children.

    P.S.
    These are not “modern day” new prophecies.
    9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
    10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
    11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.
    Eccl 1:9-11 (KJV)
    They are age old prophecies.

    • Hi St. Albert XIV. Thanks for your comment. Well, I’ve concluded the words in this chapter were being directed to the King of Tyre. So it seems it can be concluded the word cherub was directed to the king of Tyre. Now could the king of Tyre been a man and a cherub, I don’t know anything in scripture that suggests that’s ever occurred. Is it possible the language could be figuratively referring to the King of Tyre? I would see that as perhaps more plausible.

      Peace in Christ. 🙂

  9. If the Devil is a spiritual creature, then he is an angel… To be an angel simply is to be a spiritual creature, at least in my understanding and in traditional nomenclature. He is clearly not flesh… And he rules over fallen angels (see, for example, Mt. 25:41). Just as there is a hierarchy of angels in Heaven (as Paul describes), there is a hierarchy in Hell – “the Devil” (Satan) is at the top. Sure, he is “bound,” as God will not allow him to become free of punishment, but that does not mean he has no operations on earth, just as the other demons operate (throughout the Gospels and Acts, and into our own day).

    • Hi Christian Renaissance Movement. Thank you for your comment. If I’m understanding you correctly, you’re stating that all spiritual creatures are angels, and therefore because the devil is a spiritual creature, the devil is an angel as well. Is there a verse you know of that states this conclusion in some form such as, “all spiritual creatures are angels” or “the devil is an angel because he is a spiritual creature”?

      Peace in Christ

      • Hi,

        I do not have a “proof-text,” no. I think it is clear, taken from the whole picture (including Isaiah, Ezekiel, Revelation, the Gospels, etc.) that Scripture teaches this.

        Scripture does not always give definitions as we do now in theology. Where does Scripture say, “God is three Persons”? Nowhere, but this is the foundation of the Christian faith, and it can be pulled out of Scripture easily enough (although the question of authority to comment definitively is also a question).

  10. So if not an angel then who or what was he? His fall from Grace has to have happened before the creation of man would you not agree or God would have accounted for that in the Bible.

    While I am always very leery of those adding to the Word of God I am just as leery and concerned about those taking away from solid biblical hermeneutics and exegesis.

    • Hi directorfsm. Thanks for your comment, and great question! We do know in Revelation he is referred to as a serpent and the great dragon. As far as a fall from grace, there’s just no detailed account of such as far as I read. As I note in my post, Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 never mention the devil/satan, so to conclude it’s referring to him is reading one’s own idea into a text that never explicitly expresses that to be referring to the devil/satan. That would seem to be more eisegesis than exegesis, don’t you think?

      Peace in Christ

  11. We forget what an angel is, oftentimes. The word aggelos, and the Hebrew equivalent, malakhi means “messenger”. Angels are messengers of God. There is an argument for seeing Satan in the Book of Job as a messenger, or an agent of God – an adversary, a tempter, the accuser against whom the holy person must prove themselves.
    The “lucifer” thing is the fault of Jerome, who translated helel, ‘morning star’, as lucifer, which meant the same thing, but which was also the name of a minor pagan god, the light-bearer or light-bringer who went before the dawn. I think the association with this pagan god led Christians to see “lucifer” as a name, rather than just a description – and then the KJV didn’t translate it into English at all, but retained the Latin form. It seems that early Christians didn’t see “lucifer” as a name for Satan, because there were two bishops, Lucifer Calaritanus (4th C) and Lucifer of Siena. It was also used as a title of Christ (the morning star) in some hymns. “Lucifer” as a name for Satan is a later development.

    • Hmm, interesting new information I never thought about before, Inkyn. I would say that’s probably one of the stronger arguments to suggest otherwise from my conclusion that I’ve encountered. I’d still haggle a bit with just the fact that there are no direct references of the devil as such, but that’s an intriguing proposition you presented. There was another commenter who offered a challenging perspective to mine in support of the devil being an angel on a post I’d written about this previously. You might find it intriguing. The commenter’s username is “novanewway”. https://factbasedtruth.com/2014/12/25/the-origin-of-satan/

      Peace in Christ

  12. I read your article a long time ago, but ran across it again. I think good and evil have always existed. That means God and Satan have always existed. BTW, you might be interested in “REVELATION: A LOVE LETTER FROM GOD” that goes against most of which we have been taught.

    • Hi Katheryn. Yes, I think there’s a good argument to suggest the existence of good and evil from the beginning. God certainly has always existed, and perhaps Satan as well. Thanks for your comment and sharing your book on Revelation. I’m always trying to understand that book better.

      Peace in Christ

  13. Great post! I don’t know if anybody has mentioned this in the discussion above, (I apologise I didn’t read them all) but the term “Devil” is suppose to mean adversary. If I’m not mistaken I think the word is only used once in the old testament and it was something to do with David counting the people and then God sent the adversary to correct him, I can’t remember the scripture but I’m sure you can google it. Point being is this adversary was used as a ‘corrective tool’ for lack of a better word(s) rather than being called an angel. Its funny how the devil has so many names and alias’ the goat, the serpent, lucifer, satan, dragon, devil, angel. I mean really????

    • Hi piecesofme2016. You touch on an interesting point there. I do recall a verse in the NT where Paul expressed that he turned two people over to Satan for correction. I wasn’t aware there was also a similar occurrence in the Old Testament. I never really pondered much the idea of understanding the devil as a corrective tool. Something I’ll have to reflect on.

      Peace in Christ.

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